Cardiff Airport - General Thread

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Both teams may fly into Cardiff Airport however both sets of fans will not as displayed when the Super Cup Final was held at the Cardiff City stadium a couple of years back.

The only exception to this is if an airline puts on scheduled flights which Uefa can't really control.

Super Cup Final Seville v Real Madrid. (Real Madrid) went to CWL and Seville to BRS in exception to the teams and the 5 x Vueling flights put on from Seville.
 
CWL seems to be having a 'good' Euro 16 with 3,000 flying out to Bordeaux alone. With Wales likely to get out of the group stage (despite losing yesterday - after all only eight of the 24 countries will be dropped following all the group matches) there ought to be more to come.
 
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/10000-spent-hiring-plane-carwyn-11501085

There have been complaints that Wales First Minister Carwyn James hired a small turbo-prop aircraft at public expense (£9,500) to fly to Lille last week to watch Wales playing England in Euro 16 at nearby Lens.

The cost was justified on security and convenience grounds given that the PM had to travel on to Glasgow for a meeting of the British Irish Council.

There is undoubtedly a party political element to some of the criticism but no doubt taxpayers made up their own minds whether they believed the hiring of an aircraft was justified.

This sort of thing is a touchy subject with some people in Wales given the multi-million pound PSO air route between Cardiff and Anglesey that some believe is primarily for the convenience of AMs (Assembly Members) and Welsh civil servants.
 
Looks like CWL will be busy with welsh football fans tommorrow! 6 flights to Lyon! 2 by TUI Netherlands guessing 737 800s, 1 by Titan believed to be a 767 300, 1 by Air Horizont a 737 400, 1 by Flybe a Embraer 170 and 1 Si Avia!
Hopefully they'll all fly back with very happy Welsh fans and do it all again for the final! :):)
 
Having got this far I see no reason why Wales cannot now make the final. That's not to say they will but they must have at least an even chance. One-off knockout matches are notoriously difficult to forecast and in this competition Wales have been at least as impressive as Portugal.

They've certainly shown up the inept England squad (I'm English so feel entitled to have a go at them). Good luck. Germany v Wales would be my final of choice from those countries left in.

Should amount to over a couple of thousand more punters for CWL taking into account the return flights.
 
TheLocalYokel said:
Having got this far I see no reason why Wales cannot now make the final. That's not to say they will but they must have at least an even chance. One-off knockout matches are notoriously difficult to forecast and in this competition Wales have been at least as impressive as Portugal.

They've certainly shown up the inept England squad (I'm English so feel entitled to have a go at them). Good luck. Germany v Wales would be my final of choice from those countries left in.

Should amount to over a couple of thousand more punters for CWL taking into account the return flights.
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They have performed beyond all expectations and are completely capable of beating Portugal and I don't think Germany would hold any fear for them either. If they do get to the final then there will be no one left in Wales we'll all be in Paris!
On a plus point for the airport all the extra passengers is good news and revenue plus they get to show off the revamp to passengers who might otherwise not have flown from there before.
 
Can't disagree with anything in your last post, Jerry, although if it is Germany a win over them would be sensational.

At present it seems that Wales, where rugby is usually king (I'm well aware of the Bluebirds and the Swans:D), is going mad over its (association) football team whilst England, where football (I hate the term soccer) holds sway for the most part, has a much better rugby team than a football one.

A Wales final would generate an airlift of tremendous proportions.
 
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/wales-...6-semi-final/story-29479317-detail/story.html

Fascinating little article in the Bristol newspaper regarding yesterday's Wales v Portugal match. What I found interesting, although not surprising, is the number of Welsh ex-pats living in Bristol. There are more than in the whole of Scotland and twice as many as in the cities of Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham.

Many Welsh people came to Bristol in the inter-war years when Bristol's economy was in better shape than most of the rest of the country during the Depression; the migration was not limited to people from Wales but because of its proximity there were probably more than from anywhere else. Many settled and there are subsequent generations still living in the city. According to the article thousands more have arrived from Wales to live in the Greater Bristol area in the past few years. Bristol Rugby Club would certainly be struggling without its contingent of Welsh players and coaches.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons why so many Welsh people use Bristol Airport.;)
 
TheLocalYokel said:
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/wales-...6-semi-final/story-29479317-detail/story.html

Fascinating little article in the Bristol newspaper regarding yesterday's Wales v Portugal match. What I found interesting, although not surprising, is the number of Welsh ex-pats living in Bristol. There are more than in the whole of Scotland and twice as many as in the cities of Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham.

Many Welsh people came to Bristol in the inter-war years when Bristol's economy was in better shape than most of the rest of the country during the Depression; the migration was not limited to people from Wales but because of its proximity there were probably more than from anywhere else. Many settled and there are subsequent generations still living in the city. According to the article thousands more have arrived from Wales to live in the Greater Bristol area in the past few years. Bristol Rugby Club would certainly be struggling without its contingent of Welsh players and coaches.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons why so many Welsh people use Bristol Airport.;)
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I think i read an article saying there was over 200,000 welsh people living in England. My sister is one of them as she lives in Leeds! A lot of welsh people also work 'over the bridge' I sometimes collect from Tesco in Avonmouth and Chep pallets and many of the staff are welsh.
Hopefully those Welsh exiles at Bristol won't so that well in the Challenge cup next year against my team Cardiff Blues!:)
BRS having a big Easyjet base and a Ryanair base is a big advantage over CWL i think many people just go to their sites first and the 2 charter firms seem to offer more variety from BRS rather than CWL. CWL will never match numbers with BRS but hopefully it can claim back some of the welsh flying from bristol and boost inward tourism as well.
 
The key of course is not only to reclaim 'Welsh' passengers who use BRS, and indeed other airports such as BHX and London (albeit there are many services from London and some from BHX that neither CWL nor BRS are likely to be able to match), but to try to grab some from neighbouring airport catchments.

The former is easier than the latter. The CWL master plan of a decade ago recognised then that getting back its 'own' passengers and attracting new ones, particularly from the West of England and South Midlands, was essential if the airport was to make real progress. That master plan couldn't anticipate the severe recession or the fact that the previous CWL owner all but gave up on the airport. As we know, in the years after the master plan's publication CWL experienced a dreadful slump, mainly as a result of the two things I've just mentioned.

There was political disharmony between the main parties in Wales when the WAG purchased CWL but, had it not done so, it's difficult to assess what state the airport would be in now. I'm not normally in favour of such intervention but I understand fully why it was done and the results justify it in my view. I'd still like to see the airport returned to the private sector in due course but it must be an owner with a true commitment to taking it forward.

As for the rugby, you are probably not as long in the tooth as me but I well remember the days before professional rugby (some called it shamateurism because there seems little doubt that the top players were well remunerated unofficially) when Bristol was one of the top English clubs and regularly played the top Welsh clubs almost week in and week out. For some reason, Bristol could never find a sugar daddy (or mummy for that matter) when professionalism dawned and has really struggled for the past quarter of a century. At least it didn't sink to the depths of Coventry, another great club of the pre-professional era, and now with the ownership of billionaire Steven Lansdown, who also owns Bristol City FC, it's fervently hoped by all supporters that 'Bris' will regain its former glories. So it will be good to have a CWL v BRS on the rugby field again.

Apologies to those not interested in rugby for straying a bit off topic.
 
TheLocalYokel said:
The key of course is not only to reclaim 'Welsh' passengers who use BRS, and indeed other airports such as BHX and London (albeit there are many services from London and some from BHX that neither CWL nor BRS are likely to be able to match), but to try to grab some from neighbouring airport catchments.

The former is easier than the latter. The CWL master plan of a decade ago recognised then that getting back its 'own' passengers and attracting new ones, particularly from the West of England and South Midlands, was essential if the airport was to make real progress. That master plan couldn't anticipate the severe recession or the fact that the previous CWL owner all but gave up on the airport. As we know, in the years after the master plan's publication CWL experienced a dreadful slump, mainly as a result of the two things I've just mentioned.

There was political disharmony between the main parties in Wales when the WAG purchased CWL but, had it not done so, it's difficult to assess what state the airport would be in now. I'm not normally in favour of such intervention but I understand fully why it was done and the results justify it in my view. I'd still like to see the airport returned to the private sector in due course but it must be an owner with a true commitment to taking it forward.

As for the rugby, you are probably not as long in the tooth as me but I well remember the days before professional rugby (some called it shamateurism because there seems little doubt that the top players were well remunerated unofficially) when Bristol was one of the top English clubs and regularly played the top Welsh clubs almost week in and week out. For some reason, Bristol could never find a sugar daddy (or mummy for that matter) when professionalism dawned and has really struggled for the past quarter of a century. At least it didn't sink to the depths of Coventry, another great club of the pre-professional era, and now with the ownership of billionaire Steven Lansdown, who also owns Bristol City FC, it's fervently hoped by all supporters that 'Bris' will regain its former glories. So it will be good to have a CWL v BRS on the rugby field again.

Apologies to those not interested in rugby for straying a bit off topic.
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I think it would've been a housing estate by now if the welsh government hadn't bought it.
It does seem to be slowly turning around and recovering. I think if they could get a cargo operation up and running especially with Aston Martin setting up nearby then that could make the airport more attractive to potential buyers also another low cost airline based there would help.
I was actually glad when Bristol went up because they seemed to always stumble at the last hurdle! Hopefully they'll stay up and both sides will meet in the Champions cup!
 
Cardiff Airport - change of name

I noted that CWL was given a temporary name change on Friday when the Welsh team was welcomed back following its Euro 16 exploits. What a deserved and magnificent reception it enjoyed, both at the airport and in the city.

I thought that perhaps Cardiff Coleman Airport might have been chosen to recognise the entire squad rather than taking the name of one of the team, albeit the star player. Anyway, probably nitpicking and Cardiff Bale Airport did the squad proud on the day.
 
Air Passenger Duty

Now there is a new government, albeit still a Conservative one, I wonder if there will be any change in the APD devolution policy.

There might not be immediately but, looking further ahead and assuming the UK does leave the UK, if a British government wanted to devolve APD to Wales they would no longer be bound by EU rules. If they wanted to ensure that English airports were not disadvantaged they could, if they wished, be more imaginative in ways to compensate English airports.

Now that Osborne seems to have left the government there could be a change in the overall APD policy. Perhaps APD will be reduced everywhere. That would certainly get the likes of Ryanair thinking after their recent public pronouncements about favouring Europe over the UK because of Brexit.
 
TheLocalYokel said:
Air Passenger Duty

Now there is a new government, albeit still a Conservative one, I wonder if there will be any change in the APD devolution policy.

There might not be immediately but, looking further ahead and assuming the UK does leave the UK, if a British government wanted to devolve APD to Wales they would no longer be bound by EU rules. If they wanted to ensure that English airports were not disadvantaged they could, if they wished, be more imaginative in ways to compensate English airports.

Now that Osborne seems to have left the government there could be a change in the overall APD policy. Perhaps APD will be reduced everywhere. That would certainly get the likes of Ryanair thinking after their recent public pronouncements about favouring Europe over the UK because of Brexit.
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Would be interesting to see what happens but i'd be very surprised if it was devolved to Wales. Would've thought they would bring it down all over but we'll see. Even Long haul would be a boost but i doubt that would happen as well. Personally i think if you have devolution then it has to be equal for all even England.
 
No change for the Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns is still in charge so not good news for CWL as he is anti CWL. Unless it come from the Chancellor I think APD is defintinely dead in the water now.
 
Jerry said:
No change for the Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns is still in charge so not good news for CWL as he is anti CWL. Unless it come from the Chancellor I think APD is defintinely dead in the water now.
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It surprises me that Alun Cairns has this reputation amongst many with an interest in CWL. I know he is not well thought of in terms of CWL on another forum that is dedicated to Welsh aviation.

I remember, probably eight or nine years ago, when he was an Assembly Member and before he became a Westminster MP, having a correspondence with him concerning CWL and its situation vis-a-vis BRS about which he had made some public comments at the time. It seemed from his remarks to me that he was a strong supporter of CWL and was certain that it was under-used (and that at a time when it was doing well compared with the years immediately afterwards) and had the potential to become a major facility not only for Wales but for the wider south-west Britain. He did make some party political remarks from which it was clear he didn't think the then WAG leadership was supporting the airport sufficiently well, but overall he appeared to back the airport all the way.
 
TheLocalYokel said:
It surprises me that Alun Cairns has this reputation amongst many with an interest in CWL. I know he is not well thought of in terms of CWL on another forum that is dedicated to Welsh aviation.

I remember, probably eight or nine years ago, when he was an Assembly Member and before he became a Westminster MP, having a correspondence with him concerning CWL and its situation vis-a-vis BRS about which he had made some public comments at the time. It seemed from his remarks to me that he was a strong supporter of CWL and was certain that it was under-used (and that at a time when it was doing well compared with the years immediately afterwards) and had the potential to become a major facility not only for Wales but for the wider south-west Britain. He did make some party political remarks from which it was clear he didn't think the then WAG leadership was supporting the airport sufficiently well, but overall he appeared to back the airport all the way.
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From what i know about him he was against the welsh government buying the airport (maybe a party political thing) and i think he has the perception of not being supportive of the airport because he didn't back APD to be devolved of which most welsh MPs were the same. I think people believe that he should of been supportive of APD devolution because the airport is in his constituency. I also believe it's because he's a conservative. Many people in Wales loathe the conservatives. I honestly think he would do his profile good if he was seen to be more supportive of the airport ie use the LCY route? Especially now he's Welsh secretary.
 
I think a lot of Welsh MPs were apathetic when it came to the APD argument in the Westminster parliament but I suppose, as you say, the fact that the airport is in his constituency and he was and remains the Welsh Secretary meant that people expected a more proactive approach when it came to the APD issue.

You further allude to him being a Conservative - not normally a popular association with many in Wales - and not a supporter of the WAG purchase of the airport. I have no political party allegiance and I'm normally against state intervention in such matters, party because the law of Unintended Consequences often intrudes, but with CWL I saw no realistic alternative and, like the idea of state ownership or not, the airport has taken on a new lease of life since being owned by the tax payer.

I still hope that the private sector will have a role to play in time though.
 
TheLocalYokel said:
I think a lot of Welsh MPs were apathetic when it came to the APD argument in the Westminster parliament but I suppose, as you say, the fact that the airport is in his constituency and he was and remains the Welsh Secretary meant that people expected a more proactive approach when it came to the APD issue.

You further allude to him being a Conservative - not normally a popular association with many in Wales - and not a supporter of the WAG purchase of the airport. I have no political party allegiance and I'm normally against state intervention in such matters, party because the law of Unintended Consequences often intrudes, but with CWL I saw no realistic alternative and, like the idea of state ownership or not, the airport has taken on a new lease of life since being owned by the tax payer.

I still hope that the private sector will have a role to play in time though.
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The Welsh government really had no choice. If they'd not bought it and it ended up closed down they would have been politically slaughtered and Wales only has 1 airport and considering Wales is also a country it would've been embarrassing to have no national airport. I possibly wonder if the airport is looking at getting up to 2 million passengers and also getting a broad spectrum of routes with a low cost carrier or carriers so as to appeal to various investors for joint ownership. Also maybe there are several airport owners who'd be intereseted in CWL?
 
If they are going along the MAN/BHX path they'd be looking to investors rather than the private sector buying the airport completely.

The private investor part of the BHX ownership, with just under 50% of the equity, is Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan (it also own Bristol Airport outright). OTPP is one of the largest institutional investors in the world with over 170 billion Canadian dollars (about £100 billion) worth of assets.

MAN is owned by Manchester Airports Group (MAG) which also owns Bournemouth, East Midlands and Stansted airports. The private investment part with just over a third of the equity is the Australian investment fund, IFM Investors.

In the cases of both BHX and MAN the public sector parts of the ownership comes from local authorities around Birmingham and Manchester respectively.

In CWL's case any private sector investor would be partnering a national government rather than local authorities but I'm not aware of any reason why this could not work as well as it does with local authority partners.

So the WAG might be looking for an investor to partner them bringing in additional funding, or an experienced airport operator to take over the running of the airport. From recent pronouncements it seems the former path is more likely.
 
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