Well it's nice to see that a few of the routes that have been mentioned in this thread have been picked up in the last year by MAN, but still no mention of anyone starting FLR.
Could this be a route that BA might be interested in?
What do other people think of HOP to Orly, and maybe someone serving Asturias/Oviedo during the summer months? It's getting really popular the North coast of Spain.
Also what are the chances of VS to Havana??
BA City Flyer have been doing a weekly Florence from Bristol and its been doing well so they might look at other airports in the future.
Before they pulled most of their UK routes I'd have thought that Vueling would be a good candidate for Asturias another option could be Easyjet or maybe Monarch.
 
Also what are the chances of VS to Havana??

A year or two ago I'd have said VS would be looking at the likes of LAX, SEA, DTW & MIA. Now, I think niche holiday routes might work well.

For example, LAS is (I think) unserved from AMS and CDG. It would be easy for the new JV to funnel these over MAN via VS. Perhaps this is part of VS' business at MAN moving forward.
 
I agree Jerry, I thought Vueling might have started FLR, but they seem to be scaling back a bit at MAN, don't think they managed the product awareness here like they could have done. As for Asturias it would be nice to see Volotea fly in here.
I often speak to people who travel quite a bit and it's amazing that they don't know about certain airlines and route options they have from MAN. The other day I was speaking to a guy who goes to Zagreb quite often in the winter months, complaining that he had to fly via Germany. He didn't know Monarch served it year round at bargain prices.
I do wish we could get HOP to Orly too.
 
A year or two ago I'd have said VS would be looking at the likes of LAX, SEA, DTW & MIA. Now, I think niche holiday routes might work well.

For example, LAS is (I think) unserved from AMS and CDG. It would be easy for the new JV to funnel these over MAN via VS. Perhaps this is part of VS' business at MAN moving forward.
Considering DL have launched MCO to AMS recently I'd expect LAS to be not far behind on A.net it's been mentioned that DO are looking at 6 more focus cities with routes to AMS and CDG. I honestly don't see them funneling traffic to and from AMS via MAN. It doesn't mean though that VS won't consider a MAN-LAS route and Havanna as well might be a good route for them to look at.
Could VS look at Mexico city or maybe even Brazil in the long term as Skyteam has partners in both for onward connections?
 
I agree Jerry, I thought Vueling might have started FLR, but they seem to be scaling back a bit at MAN, don't think they managed the product awareness here like they could have done. As for Asturias it would be nice to see Volotea fly in here.
I often speak to people who travel quite a bit and it's amazing that they don't know about certain airlines and route options they have from MAN. The other day I was speaking to a guy who goes to Zagreb quite often in the winter months, complaining that he had to fly via Germany. He didn't know Monarch served it year round at bargain prices.
I do wish we could get HOP to Orly too.
Problem with HOP! to Orly will be Air France and Flybe won't want to divert their traffic especially long haul connections away from CDG.
Unfortunately it happens around the country that many people don't seem to know what's on offer at their local airports.
 
Don't Hop serve any destinations that Air France serve? Maybe a better route for Easyjet then? As far as connecting flights go through Orly, it does have flights to some different destinations in Africa, Indian Ocean and Caribbean areas.
 
Well it's nice to see that a few of the routes that have been mentioned in this thread have been picked up in the last year by MAN, but still no mention of anyone starting FLR.

The problem with FLORENCE is that the city is very easily reached from PISA AIRPORT. Often, carriers choose to serve one airport or the other (rather than both) because they compete for the same business. Pisa Airport (which is served from MAN) has a fast people-mover (PisaMover) which links the airport terminal with Pisa Centrale Rail Station in about five minutes. From there, trains reach Central Florence in as little as 50 minutes. The combined cost of PisaMover and train is about 11 Euros. As you can see, this journey time and price is very competitive with what many other airports can offer between their terminal and named city centre. Compare with journey time and cost from Stansted, Luton or Southend into Central London. So from an airline industry perspective, Manchester has Florence 'covered'. An airline serving MAN-FLR will effectively be in direct competition with the existing MAN-PSA route.
 
I agree with all the points you make Egcc about the Pisa/Florence route, and market from Manchester, but isn't this also true for all the other UK airports..(BHX,BRS,LGW,STN,LCY,LHR and maybe even LTN)
I'm sure MAN could easily support a dedicated flight. What do you think?
 
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I guess what really matters is the combined market demand for PSA/FLR from MAN compared to the capacity provided by the carrier(s) involved. Between them Jet2 and EasyJet are operating 8 return flights per week this Summer on MAN-PSA. For a destination which is more citybreak / specialist than mass-market resort that seems quite a generous provision, though obviously that is speculation on my part as I don't have access to sales and yield data. But Italy alone offers a number of competing short-break options including Venice, Rome, Milan / Verona (Italian Lakes), Bologna and Napoli (for the Neopolitan Riviera). So is there space in the market for Florence to muscle in against Pisa as well without trashing yields or inciting a corresponding capacity cut at PSA? We can only guess ...
 
Considering DL have launched MCO to AMS recently I'd expect LAS to be not far behind on A.net it's been mentioned that DO are looking at 6 more focus cities with routes to AMS and CDG. I honestly don't see them funneling traffic to and from AMS via MAN. It doesn't mean though that VS won't consider a MAN-LAS route

Do DL have a long haul base at LAS? If not, VS via MAN might be a realistic option if there is no desire for AF or KL to fly to LAS from their respective hubs. As User noted, VS already fly to LAS from MAN. This would be an alternative to flying one stop at a DL hub in the US.

Could VS look at Mexico city or maybe even Brazil in the long term as Skyteam has partners in both for onward connections?

I can't see this in the short term. South America is more a TCX portfolio. If SFO and BOS are a success, VS might look at more North American routes, but I can't see much more than that in the foreseeable.
 
Delta has not got a long haul US base in Las Vegas (although they are temporarily flying LH from there for CES 2018). AF don't have the right aircraft to launch or the network (MCO - not too dissimilar a market failed spectacularly). And whilst DL could launch more flights from focus cities, presently feeding through Virgin in MAN is a good idea in my view.
 
Don't Hop serve any destinations that Air France serve? Maybe a better route for Easyjet then? As far as connecting flights go through Orly, it does have flights to some different destinations in Africa, Indian Ocean and Caribbean areas.
HOP! are restruvrcrd
Do DL have a long haul base at LAS? If not, VS via MAN might be a realistic option if there is no desire for AF or KL to fly to LAS from their respective hubs. As User noted, VS already fly to LAS from MAN. This would be an alternative to flying one stop at a DL hub in the US.



I can't see this in the short term. South America is more a TCX portfolio. If SFO and BOS are a success, VS might look at more North American routes, but I can't see much more than that in the foreseeable.
DL don't have a long haul base at LAS but neither do they have one at Indianapolis and they've just launched IND-CDG. DL can just easily rotate a wide body via AMS or through somewhere like ATL or JFK domestically. I honestly don't see the attraction for DL to send pax to AMS via MAN when they have such a large domestic network and lots of hubs to choose from.
 
I have just completed a brief survey of destinations which are served by passenger flights from neighbouring airports but not from MAN itself. I thought the list might be of some interest re route development and potential gaps in the network.

BHX - 16: Vilnius / Perpignan / Biarritz / Bordeaux / Paris Orly / Comiso / Florence / Bucharest / Cluj-Napoca / Graz / Katowice / Poznan / Bydgoszcz / Warsaw-Chopin / Delhi / Ashgabat

LPL - 14: City of Derry / Nimes / Bari / Craiova / Bucharest / Bacau / Cluj-Napoca / Szczecin / Warsaw-Chopin / Poznan / Katowice / Lublin / Vilnius / Bordeaux

DSA - 7: Poznan / Katowice / Warsaw-Chopin / Lublin / Vilnius / Cluj-Napoca / Bucharest

EMA - 2: Dinard / Lodz

LBA - 2: Montpellier / Vilnius

NCL - 2: Cardiff / Bristol

HUY and MME have flights to each other, but these do not appear to be bookable. So HUY - 0, MME - 0.

Looks like we need to pack the MAG route development team off to schmooze Ryanair, Blue Air and Wizz Air again! Weak links are the usual suspects Poland, Romania, Lithuania and some Regional France. Obviously, some missing destinations are affected by extenuating factors such as service to nearby airports (Warsaw Modlin, Paris CDG, Pisa). And the two outliers served from NCL (CWL and BRS) represent a more challenging journey from there than from Manchester area.

Interesting to note that Bordeaux is absent again.

Any corrections and observations welcome.
 
I think considering the regional coverage in France, Bordeaux seems the biggest point missing in that list.

Short haul wise, Bucharest is the other big one, with both Ryanair and TAROM as potential candidates.

Delhi for Manchester is a case of when, and not if. With Scoot around the corner (despite protests coming from some), I believe that India is going to be one of those areas that once one starts, we will open the metaphorical floodgates.
 
Massive Regional Connections I'd love to see served:
Bordeaux (Flybe)
Bucharest (RYR/Tarom)
Warsaw Chopin (LOT) -
unfortunately, unlikely. I know lots of people who travel to LPL to use Wizz to Warsaw, instead of Ryanair from MAN purely for convenience. If only we could turn back time and divert Wizz to MAN instead of LBA and DSA!

Vilnius/Poznan/Bydgoszcz could be very easily served by Ryanair (only obstacle is RYR serve Vilnius from LBA) in my opinion. Dinard is also a good candidate that would do well. Paris Orly would be nice with HOP!.

India is the watch word at the moment.
 
A couple of interesting points have emerged today, that I feel are noteworthy in the context of MAN.

Firstly, UA seems to be redeploying some of its B752s, which includes a new seasonal IAD-EDI. In the summer, UA will now operate 3 flights a day to EDI (EWR, ORD, IAD) [EDITED]. EDI is a much smaller market than MAN, so why the discrepancy? In no particular order: Scotland is soon to dispose of APD; MAN has more competing options; EDI serves a capital and financial centre; and EDI serves a larger inbound market (certainly from the US side).

Secondly, CX have suspended DUS from March next year. I raise this because of the comparisons we made between MAN and DUS a few months ago. I don't think this signifies MAN being at risk, more likely to go the other way and expand further, but the explosion of far east carriers at DUS in the last couple of years (including ANA and SQ) makes you wonder whether DUS is sustainable in competition with FRA, AMS and BRU. In particular following the problems experienced by Air Berlin. I wonder if we could see a redeployment of this capacity moving forward.

Both provide food for thought.

[EDIT - UA are to operate to EWR-EDI daily only. I wonder if EWR may be up-gauged, otherwise its just a redeployment of capacity]
 
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It would be tempting to conclude that there isn't much Manchester Airport news around at the moment but that would be to miss the point. What we're seeing is key carriers including Ryanair and EasyJet launching generally "as you were" flying programmes for Summer '18 season. They could add to what they've placed on sale later, but will they? Has anybody had a chance to do Monarch and Jet2 S17/S18 comparisons yet? In a season which sees significant cutbacks from Vueling, Norwegian and American Airlines MAN could be facing a challenge in terms of 2018 growth trajectory.

Air Arabia Maroc, Air Malta, Powdair (maybe) and Tunis Air are set to join the fray, but they will barely offset Vueling alone. Thomas Cook's new Seattle schedule is a straight swap for Miami. A little more from Icelandair, RAM and the Loganair /FlyBe bunfight till common sense prevails.

At the moment I'm inclined to think anaemic growth for 2018 rather than an absolute fall, but it's too early to draw conclusions beyond speculation. Of course, if we can match 2017 figures that would be a decent result anyway. My hunch is that Winter '17/'18 will return better growth percentages than the Summer months to follow.

Other points of view very welcome. Discuss?
 
Easyjet and Ryanair are waiting to see the fallout from Alitalia and Air Berlin, as it means there could be some short term needs for capacity in those markets should the carriers go under, and this means growth across the network is on hold.

It's worth pointing out that there is no need for doom and gloom at this stage, I have not seen those 2 airlines add new routes at the time of their initial season release for some time, it normally follows later.

Jet2 will see an increase, and Minarch are currently mid sort out for some big news it seems.

I suppose we are 'lucky' in that by pure luck, Manchester sees a daily BCN when other airport are seeing less than daily. This make MAN their 4th largest airport after LGW/CWL/LTN.

We should see some extra flights from BA all going well, and I have it on good authority we should start seeing some other routes news (good) trickling through very soon. May even see an new airline or 2!
 
I'm fascinated by what Monarch are up to. I wonder whether that brand will exist following whatever it is they have planned. If a return to long haul is planned, I wonder the extent to which any route network would duplicate the TCX and Thomson networks. Canada appears to be an opportunity, with certain Caribbean and Far East Asia routes also seeming attractive targets. Perhaps they could also beat TCX to CPT?

Looking at the big picture, and given the current uncertainty, a holding pattern in 2018 would be okay. Since 2014, MAN has added a lot, and a return to the recent trend in 2019 would be good.
 
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